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Peter Kwasniewski's avatar

There are a lot of good points in here, but also, I think, some serious missteps.

First, it's NEVER a good idea to try to "pit" the East against the West, or vice versa. Each has its own genius and a very different arc of historical development and spiritual emphasis. You can't actually "cross-engineer" a hybrid of their best qualities, because, in fact, some of these qualities are mutually exclusive.

See: https://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2019/06/let-latins-be-latins-and-greeks-greeks.html

At the same time, we should not underestimate what the traditional Roman Rite and the Byzantine rite have in common, for it is much more profound than what separates them:

https://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2018/06/the-byzantine-liturgy-traditional-latin.html

Lastly, I think it is superficial to speak of the Latin Mass as not encouraging active participation at all levels, as I discuss here:

https://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2014/12/how-traditional-latin-mass-fosters-more.html

I would like someday to meet up with you and Timothy Dominik in order to have a deep conversation about these points.

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Joel Otto's avatar

I really enjoyed this essay, thanks for writing! My wife found your Substack after seeing your post on Landertalk.

I'm a 62 year old Lander resident who joined the Catholic church in 2015 from a non-religious new-age background. I vastly prefer the TLM but mostly attend the NO here because of availability. A WCC friend asked if I have attended the Divine Liturgy, and asked why or why not. I said I had but only once. I keep thinking about that. It is so tempting to go, and to not suffer what I see as the Novus Ordo abuses.

I had come to the same DL/Roman Rite analogy you had, but with a slightly different perspective. I also see the DL as like the Libertarian option, but I see the NO/TLM as the Republican option. There is a LOT wrong with the Republican party, but it has the advantage of being a foundational and functioning institution of our current society. The Byzantine rite is not a part of my northern European or American heritage. As pleasant as the DL is, leaving the Roman rite feels like an abandonment.

I think choosing a form of worship is intensely personal. I would not presume unasked to direct someone how to worship, both because of my ignorance of religion and of the nature and needs of other individual people. I am however very opinionated about what I prefer.

I made a list of personal pros and cons about attending the DL here in Lander, some structural, some petty. There is a longer story behind each of these. I also realize some points compare the Divine liturgy to the TLM and some to the Novus Ordo Mass.

Pros of Attending the Divine Liturgy

No guitar or piano Masses.

No suppression of the Mass from church hierarchy.

No graffiti on or disfigurement of form, or caricature of worship.

Reverent.

Beautiful.

Heartfelt.

Genuine.

Transcendent.

Don't have to fight liturgical abuse.

Can simply worship in peace.

Don't have to fight at all - peaceful.

Cons

Too personal - hugging, no shoes.

Too involved, more outward, less inward.

Not my northern European heritage. Same problem I had with Hinduism.

Feels like abandoning of the TLM.

Not as martial - I'm inclined to martial thinking and the DL seems less of a warrior form of worship.

Less masculine than the TLM.

Not as powerful as the TLM.

Not as austere as the TLM, more showy.

More overstated than understated, not as reserved as the TLM.

Not as much silence as the TLM, or the opportunities for silence seem deflected.

What about the music? I confess ignorance of DL music. TLM music is sublime.

I'm not familiar with the DL form and it's awkward to passively watch to familiarize myself.

I'm celiac and low gluten communion is problematic.

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